>> a very good day to all of you from msnbc world headquarters in new york. welcome, everyone, to alex witt reports. the fallout is growing this weekend as republican senators face backlash for blocking the

creation of an independent commission to investigate the january 6th attack on the capitol. democratic congressman mike quigley stressing the urgency of moving forward with the probe as democrats float the possibility of forming now a select committee. >> we simply can't let this lie. the risk is still out there, and i think without this work we won't know exactly what took place. what were the failures that allowed this to happen? how do we hold people accountable and most importantly, how do we prevent it from happening again? so there's just too much at stake for us not to try to go it alone. meanwhile, president biden unveiling a $6 trillion budget proposal. the white house says the ambitious number is needed for a speed economic recovery. the money would boost infrastructure and the proposal is facing opposition from republicans who say it will drive the national debt to new highs.

one senator calling it, quote, dead on arrival. some major testimony is coming this week. we are now learning donald trump's former white house counsel don mcgahn is expected to appear before the house judiciary committee behind closed doors on monday morning. he is answering questions on russian interference and conducted by special counsel by robert mueller and allegations of obstruction of justice. that interview will be transcribed. let's go right to msnbc's amanda golden on capitol hill. how are democrats reacting to the riot commission being blocked. >> democrats are not remaining silent, that's for sure. they are not planning to talk about this commission and further investigation into january 6th, we've already heard from senate majority leader chuck schumer who has it to bring to the vote against the senate floor and it will not get

the ten senators needed to break the 60-vote filibuster threshold. we only saw in the vote that happened just yesterday, the six republican senators that allowed democrats to break party in order to move the commission forward. those six senator, we can put up a full screen so you can see include mitt romney, ben sasse, senators bill cassidy, susan collins and lisa murkowski of alaska, but also i want to note that republican senator of pennsylvania, pat toomey was one senator who did say he would have voted in favor of this commission had he been present and he was away for a family commitment and on top of that there were 11 senators who were not allowed for the vote to take place. they would need the ten republicans to be onboard and that seems unlikely as we didn't already see it take place. we now know that the house democrats are inching closer to putting forward the select committee, as you mentioned, its own partisan way to investigate

the events of january 6th on their own. earlier today on msnbc congresswoman madeleine dean was asked about this and what this could all mean for a further investigation. >> we should have done it by way of an independent commission. sadly, it will now have to be through oversight in the house with subpoenas, with getting at the truth, collecting text messages and phone calls, we'll find out who was a part of this, but it would have been -- it would have served our country better to have seated an independent commission. >> alex, it was the preference of congressional leadership to have this done in a bipartisan way with this independent commission and house dems can move forward alone. it's something that house speaker nancy pelosi has indicated she's open to doing it and will be in further consideration, when the house returns here if they'll inch forward in doing it in a partisan way it would allow house democrats to issue subpoenas and bring people to testify under oath here.

>> i'm also going to mention ohio senator rob portman who voted in favor of of the commission. >> i had to double-check my notes there. >> there are a lot of names. you did great. >> i didn't want him to be left out. >> i appreciate that. >> joining me now, kentucky congressman john yarma. i am so glad to see you, my friend. >> nice to see you. >> tell me what it says to you that republican senators blocked the creation of a bipartisan xhigs to investigate the capitol riot bipartisan and there were pleas to support this. it came from brian officer sicknick's mother gladys, capitol police officers who survived that day while protecting those same senators. how do you square this? >> i really think this is one of the saddest moments of recent history in congress. i think what this signals is that republicans have made a

decision their interest is served by a personal interest and not a united one and that's horribly sad. what they're obviously doing is they know that an independent commission would be credible and that the results might be uncomfortable for them. mitch mcconnell said as much that he didn't want it to affect the '22 midterms and they can scream and complain about who was a part of the partisan process. it's a pretty cynical and obvious strategy, but you know, it just, again, it is so sad on so many fronts because it's clear that the republicans do not want the truth to come out. i think of the shakespeare quote, me doth think you protest too much. >> senate majority leader mitch mcconnell who has been dead set

on this commission for weeks now. let's take a listen to his argument that he made once again this week. >> there's no new fact about that day. we need the democrats extraneous commission to uncover. the department of justice is deep into a massive criminal investigation. multiple senate committees are conducting their inquiries. i do not believe the additional extraneous commission that democratic leaders want would uncover crucial new facts or promote healing. >> so i want to get your response to that because it does beg this question, what could this bipartisan commission have done that other investigations he was citing, are not able to? >> first of all, i'd like to know whether kevin mccarthy was telling the truth before or now about what the conversation between him and the president was. there are so many facts about this that we don't know. i've known mitch for a long time. mitch has a way of trying to

deflect and to mischaracterize situations all the time. this is going to be very difficult for him to do. clearly, the american people, all of the polls show it, the american people want to know the truth. this was the most egregious assault on democracy in the last 200 years, 200+ years, and we need to know everything about it. we still don't know how much organization was behind this. the fbi is doing some investigation, but we have a unique opportunity to do it in a way where the public is engaged in the investigation and that's really important, because a lot of times what the fbi investigates, we never hear about, but a public, non-partisan independent commission would engage the public. >> to your point, what do you think the likelihood is that in pursuit of the truth, the

complete truth, nancy pelosi will select a committee to support that. >> i would support it. >> i think we almost have to do it. i would hope that we would do it in a way that approximates the balance that we agreed to in the independent commission, that we have an equal participation on the partisan basis that we -- that the minority has some say in who is subpoenaed. i think this would be basically, putting our money where our mouth is, and remember, we agreed to every request that the republicans made in setting up this independent commission, and even after that, only 35 republicans in the house supported it and we saw what happened in the senate and by the way, any institution where 54 to 39 loses has a problem. >> yeah. okay. do stay with us, congressman. we will go to the white house for an update.

i'll come right back to you. so sit tight. as promised we'll go to nbc's monica alba at the white house and president biden's just released $6 trillion budget proposal, monica. talk about the big issues tackled in this new budget. >> a lot of it we already knew, alex, because the president and the white house have been strategic to trying to roll out agenda items. the bulk of the $6 trillion comes from the american jobs plan which is the infrastructure bill that's currently stalled in terms of the negotiations and the american families plan had is the second half and what the white house is billing as the human infrastructure element to all of this. if you combine those two, we are looking at a $4 trillion price tag and those are still being hammered out in terms of where they may land, given on infrastructure, the republicans have countered a couple of times and the white house will meet with them in the coming days to try to see if they can find an agreement. it seems that is quite elusive

at this time. there's about $1.5 million that goes to the climate crisis with defense spending. a lot of money was poured into the economy given covid relief and everything that they needed to be helped with in the pandemic, so this would be less spending compared to last year, but in terms of the next fiscal year and what this president would want to do it would raise levels not seen since world war ii. that's why republicans have come out to slam the size and scope of this and issue concerns over the debt, but this is a president who has said he wants to go big and bold in his attempt to build back better, and that's why you're now going to see him potentially pivot to try to urge democrats to get this done on their own without republican votes just as he did with the covid relief bill back in march, alex. >> monica, thank you for that from the white house.

great setup because we're back with the chair of the budget committee. i'm curious, your response to the criticism of joe biden's $6 trillion budget, and is it too much? when republicans are doing the finger-pointing, lest they forget they've driven up the national debt to record highs. do they have a megaphone they should be using? >> of course not. there's a lot of hypocrisy on the republican side of this since they added $2 trillion worth of debt with the tax cuts that went to the wealthiest americans and corporations. what the biden budget does and one thing zee to realize is yes, debt as a percentage of gdp, would last you 117%, the ratio, 115% of gdp over the ten years. japan right now has a debt to gdp ratio of 240%, and they

don't have inflation in the economy and their bonds sell at 0% interest rates. a lot of economists. i would say most economists now, that metric for judging whether you have too much debt is not a valid metric in today's world, and i would not be hung up on the debt and how can we service it? we're not having trouble servicing, what they have. >> what the biden budget doeses as the questions in the right order. what do we need to do to keep our country prosperous and thriving and provide an equal opportunity to everybody? what we are saying is what can we afford to do? and the answer is no, we ask questions, what do we need to do for the american people and how do we resource that? how do we get it done and that's the most important thing about

the biden plan. >> i love hearing those questions. i know you'll continue asking them in congress and i'll continue asking you questions next time i see you congressman yarma. >> one hints into the business dealings. one of the writers behind that report joins me to explain what it all means moving forward. that's next. ♪ sometimes you wanna go ♪ ♪ where everybody knows your name ♪ ♪♪ ♪ and they're always glad you came ♪ ♪ you wanna be where you can see(ah-ah) ♪ ♪ our troubles are all the same (ah-ah) ♪ ♪ you wanna be where everybody knows your name ♪

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it could soon cost you more to mail a letter. the postal service proposing raising the price of a first-class stamp, that is, from 55 to 58 cents. the change would take effect in late august, if approved by the postal regulatory commission. it's part of a ten-year plan recently unveiled by the agency which has been struggling with delivery delays. new reaction to reports of a special grand jury reportedly

convened to hear evidence of the trump organization. a former executive assistant manhattan d.a. says the witnesses are likely to be those who are able to put documents into context. >> it might be secretaries. it might be assistants. it might be people who were just called in to attend a meeting and take notes. those people can be invaluable witnesses, former employees. >> you know, the documents say what the documents say. you can't change what was recorded on the pieces of paper. now you have to get the witnesses in to explain the context of what's written down and who said that it should be written that way. >> and joining me now, david farenhold. big welcome to you. as you listen to adam kaufman, is that what you're hearing? >> he did a better job of

explaining. one of the bug things that will have to be proven in the grand jury is intent, whoever they're charging whether it's donald trump or somebody else that the d.a. will have to show not only that they violated the law, but that they knew they were doing it. this isn't bank robbery where everyone knows it's wrong and it's dealing with lenders and taxing authorities and that would come from someone who is close to him in the country, an executive assistant, a cfo and someone in the meeting and talking to him about the motivation. >> do you have a sense of who the witnesses might be, any reporting already on who has testified? >> a let of intensive reporting and no successful reporting so far and i think my guess is that it will be people within the organization and people within banks. the d.a. and the attorney general of the new york post seem interested in and what representations trump made to lenders about his own net worth and his own credit worthiness

and so the victims in this case might be the people in those banks who come forward and say yes, donald trump told me this and it was to rely on this when i was judging his credit worthiness and it turned out to be wrong. >> there would be no reason, particularly under oath, i might add, but for any member of a banking organization as you described to not speak 100% the truth. there would be no game, right? in terms of people flipping as that terminology is, it seems likely if straightforward questions are asked and straightforwardly answered. >> i wouldn't put these potential witnesses in the category of flippers. people who were loyal to trump and these folks would be vendors to trump and business partners, people outside of his organization relying on him to be honest with them as he did business. other possibilities could be assessors who worked on valuations of his properties and lawyers who worked for trump and helping set those valuations and people who still relied on the

company's veracity to tell the truth about it. >> so is it clear, david, whether the grand jury's convening for the purposes of returning an indictment of donald trump or anyone else in particular? >> what we know is that there is a grand jury, a special grand jury that will last six months that's built to consider this investigations and the point of doing that is to consider charges against somebody or some thing, but we don't know who the d.a. is interested in presenting evidence about and we don't know when that evidence will be presented and we're trying to figure that out now and there's no guarantee that donald trump could be charged and it could be somebody else and that's the purpose. you don't start a grand jury without having charges in mind. witnesses who testify before grand juries in new york, don't they get a sort of automatic immunity? do you get a sense that the d.a. may be relying on this to help witnesses be more forthcoming?

>> new york's grand jury rules are interesting. they do confer immunization. they immunize people against being charged and people who speak against a grand jury. it's different than a federal grand jury and that is different than someone like allen weisselberg that the d.a. is putting pressure on to turn against trump. if we see wieselburg walking into the grand jury room, we know that he's turned in the state's evidence against trump. >> okay. david farrenhold, we'll have you soon to talk about it. thank. we'll have a great weekend. >> japan has extended a pandemic state of emergency and that is raising concerns about the upcoming summer olympics. that's next.

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>> a covid-19 update this hour. feuds over masked mandates

playing out in idaho. brad little repealing a mask mandate prohibition that was ordered by his only lieutenant governor. the governor was out of town. governor little comparing her actions to tyranny. important to note, lieutenant governor she announced her own bid for governor. with 54 days until the kickoff of the summer olympic games, the international olympic committee vowing the games will go on despite mounting pressure to call it all off pf as japan's prime minister extends a state of emergency across tokyo and nine other prefectures due to a rapid rise in covid cases. this is a tough one to talk about because, you know, it's the olympics and we look forward to them. we will broadcast them and we should know that our parent company broadcasts these games, but in terms of officials from olympics, what are they saying about this? >> alex, we've reached out to

the ioc to update and get more clarity, at this point there is no indication that there are any plans to postpone. the olympic officials have been working for months to update their extensive rule book that requires masking, social distancing and we know they've banned foreign spectators from attending these games, but now, alex, it looks like it could be the case that there would be no spectators at all. >> new concerns about the summer games in tokyo, with the opening ceremony less than two month away, japan is battling a surge in covid cases. the prime minister extending the state of emergency in tokyo and nine other areas. unlike in years past when fans poured in from around the world, foreign spectators have been banned from this summer's games and he's hinting japanese fans might not be allowed either. a final decision is expected next month and could mean athletes competing in empty stadiums with no cheering

crowds. still, olympic officials insist the games will go on, that testing, masks and temperature checks will be enforced and no singing or chanting allowed. even without spectators, some 90,000 people including athletes and their delegations are expected in tokyo in july, and with less than 3% of japan's population fully vaccinated, there's growing public concern about welcoming in delegations from around the world. this man says he's worried about new covid variants being brought in from overseas. polls show 60% to 80% of japanese want the games to be called off. this morning organizers face an increasingly challenging task as the countdown to the tokyo games rolls on. >> reporter: alex, the variants are really a concern her. you heard that japan has less than 3% of its population fully vaccinated and we're talking about in 54 days bringing in people for more than 200 countries all over the earth,

many of them are not as vaccinated as, for example, the united states or the united kingdom and it is a real risk that people in japan are starting to speak out more openly about their concerns? you can understand why, there's a lot to fig you out in the next 54 days thank you so much, sarah harmon. the league is taking action now. megan fitzgerald is just outside madison square garden. hello to you. what's the latest? >> alex, unruly fans isn't anything new, but it's something that many sports analysts say is escalating and they're calling it concerning. now what happened here at madison square garden is sending shock waves for sure. playoffs season in full swing. six nba teams squaring off last night, but bad behavior by fans is shifting the focus from the court to the stands. >> to be blatantly honest, man -- >> a fan dropping popcorn on

russell westbrook leaving the court wednesday night and staff trying to stop westbrook from going after the instigator. the same night in new york at madison square garden, a fan spite at atlanta hawks player trae young, and he spoke out on espn. >> i saw the video and it's disgusting for spitting and anything like that, that's uncalled for in any arena and any environment. >> the nba releasing a statement that an enhanced code of conduct will be vigorously enforced in order to ensure a safe and respectful environment for all involved, but players and personnel across the league are upset. charles barkeley not mincing words on tnt. >> i think you should be able to go in the stands and beat the hell out of one person per game. >> a brawl broke out in 2004 when beer was thrown on then-indiana pacer ron artest, but unruly fan behavior is want just courtside at the nba.

>> here it is. >> fans overran security at sunday's pga championship just as phil mickelson and brooks ken qaa walked to the final hole. from the fairway to the runway, air travelers, combative on flights. >> no! >> a dispute onboard turned physical. this flight attendant ended up losing two teeth. dangerous behavior as people began interacting with each other once again. >> those two fans have been banned from games indefinitely. as for the passenger onboard that flight, she's now facing federal charges. alex? >> well, she should. okay, megan, thank you so much for that. >> conservatives are unleashing a flood of legislation across the country to keep the 1619 project and critical race theory out of america's schools. what are they so afraid of? former naacp president ben gelis straight ahead to talk about it.

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>> hi there, alex. the legislators are back in session in about a half an hour here in the building behind me and they have a busy afternoon ahead of them. just the final election integrity bill was released to those members and the thing about this is it was not released to the public. it was posted that it was filed online and it was not released to the public. we did get our hands on a copy and let's dive in to what some of this bill says here. first, it does ban mobile voting booths. it bans drive-through voting for most voters and strengthens i.d. requirements when it comes to voting by mail and expands 24-hour voting and it's something that became very popular with black and brown voters and it does allow early voting on that big, important weekend before the election, but on sundays the voting doesn't start until 1:00 p.m. voting advocates tell me that's an issue and it hinders the souls to the polls idea, in getting people from church to the polls and a tradition that's raised a lot of questions here.

this has to do with the overturning of an election. i want to read this to you word for word because i think this is important. if the number of votes illoolly cast in the election is equal to or greater than the number of votes necessary to change the election, how individual voters voted. this raises a number of legal questions. first of all, is this even legal at all. does this have to contradict what federal election law already says. who is putting place this new election and how would that happen and who was calling the votes illegal in the first place. so there's a number of questions here all coming together this weekend. they're voting this afternoon and the senate is voting this afternoon, the house is likely to vote tomorrow and they're both expected to pass this bill and then it is expected to go to governor greg abott's desk. he has said he will sign the legislation. alex? >> you've certainly given me something to talk about with my next guest, gary, from austin.

today a new nationwide push to ban critical race theory from school curriculum. axios is reporting there is a new conservative pac targeting school board elections raising funds to those who oppose teaching critical race theory and the 1619 project. joining us now is a good friend to us and the president of the people of the american way foundation. lots to get into. first, on the education front, what's keeping students from learning all of america's history. >> it is quite disturbing. my mom's side descends from thomas jefferson's grandmother. her other descendants that were black that were her family slaves. i'm not each sure that i can come in and have that conversation in this state. this is a really profound assault on the first amendment.

it's a profound assault on just the teaching of our children in history, and maybe it shouldn't surprise us that the very politicians are most likely to have an issue with science most likely to support creationism, and most likely to oppose a real conversation about climate change would also take issue with social science, but it really strikes at the heart of our nation that we can't have an honest conversation about what's happened here. >> as mentioned, there are several states, as you know, that are working to ban the critical race theory. we have the governors of idaho, oklahoma, tennessee, arkansas, and they've already signed legislation, while a bill to do so passed this week in the texas senate of all things, ben, why do republicans appear to see this as a winning issue for them? >> you know, it's just racism and republicans have defaulted to racism for a long time. the old dixiecrats are today's

republicans and it's been trashed by donald trump and there is no critical race theory is there's just a theoretical approach to talking about race and taking into account social science in history and helping people understand what actually happened and why. they're really banning critical thinking if there's any conversation about race. that's what we're talking about. it's not the theory of relatively. historians, sociologists who have chosen to dig into the nation's history and dig into the lies that were told about black people in history. >> there's got to be consequences to removing history from history books. aside from just voting, what can be done to stop this? >> then-governor bobby jindal of louisiana, said his party, the republican party had to stop

being the party of stupid and stupid has run the republican party. the person of donald trump and also just in the agenda of folks who would like to turn our country into the intellectual equivalent of north korea by just teaching lie after lie after lie after lie and banning discussions of the truth and that's what we're seeing. this is the most -- this is the most un-american push i have seen by a party in a very long time. >> i just want to say anecdotally. i remember growing up in california i wasn't taught about the american-japanese internment camps. i happened upon a wonderful novel years later "snow fallen on cedars" that focused on that and reading that, i did my own research into finding about things and i found that i passed by the internment camp driving up to air favorite ski resort and stopped and took my kids there when they were little and took them to teach them about

this. i thought, why were my teachers never teach me that. they were not in history books and it's another example of a historical omission that was so, so important, anyway, that was just a sidebar, but you know? >> my junior high school teacher in california, dr. takegawa had been raised in an internment camp and he could not have a real conversation with his students if he were a principal today in a state where one of these laws passes. this is just black history, it's about native americans and japanese, chinese, it's about a whole range of people in this country whose experience has been shaped because of their race. can we even tell the truth about the mistreatment of the irish? it's unclear. >> let me ask about this before i let you go because this is a positive headline this week and we're talking about kristen clarke, the first black woman to

lead the justice department's civil rights division. she has pledged to make voting rights a priority and the civil rights division will play a key role in the doj's review of the minneapolis police departments under way. given the current reckoning of race relations, what do you want her to do first? what do you think she needs to do first? >> she needs to keep doing what merrick garland has begun doing. merrick garland is a republican. he is also a person who believes in civil rights and believes in the u.s. constitution and he's been fierce in going after these officers that have been killing unarmed black people, unarmed neighbors of ours and she needs to keep that going. it's her -- it's her department that's in charge of that. she also is a much respected voting rights lawyer and we can expect her to be fierce in going after these voter suppression measures and finally, the women of con edison in new york will

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a special grand jury that could hear evidence and weigh possible criminal charges against trump, his staff, or his family. joining me now is barbara res, former trump organization executive vice president and author of "tower of lies: what my 18 years of working with donald trump reveals about him." barbara, it's good to see you again. let's get right into this, because i'm curious your reaction when you heard that a special grand jury had been convened. what went through your mind? >> i have to confess, i was a little elated. i would like to see mr. trump, my former boss, and our former president, get caught for once. he's gotten away with so many things that it would be good if he saw justice, not only as a revenge kind of thing for people that have resented him all these years but because the country needs it. i truly believe the country needs it. >> so, barbara, i have to ask, then, when you say he's gotten away with so many things and you worked with him for 18 years, do

you know things, specifically, that would lead to exposing the truth? have you been called upon to testify? do you expect to be? >> no, no, and no. i don't really know anything in terms of financial work because i never had anything to do with that. i just was in construction and real estate development. and i don't expect to be called because i don't have anything to offer. >> but when you say that he's gotten away with so many things for so many years, i mean, that would indicate that at least during the 18 years that you spent with him -- you say that because what? it's -- it was in the ether or what you witnessed? why do you make that statement? >> well, little things and big things. i mean, you know, you can see in the past, looking at the past so many years, what he's gotten away with. he should have been convicted twice in the impeachment trial and he got away with that, didn't he? there's so many different

things. when i was there, he would get away with not paying an architect. i tried to make sure that everyone got paid. but it was just little things, things and rules that he didn't obey, like some zoning -- not zoning but building rules that he didn't obey, just didn't obey them. i tried to keep him pretty much, you know, in line with what the law was, and did well at that, but you could see little things. i mean, it was just -- on other jobs, i saw things. i saw people not getting paid when they should have, things like that, and he never got challenged on things. he just seemed to get away with them. >> it's interesting, donald trump certainly responded to the grand jury news and there's a statement calling it the greatest witch hunt in american history. i mean, we've heard that refrain over and over again from him, but politico asks, how can it be a political witch hunt if he's not in the game anymore? goes on to say, simple. float another run for president. but trump's aides tell politico that his interest in running in

2024, it's not just a defense tactic. one have said he's missing being president terribly. i'm curious, given your 18 years of working with him, what do you make of all this? how do you think he's reacting to all this in private? >> well, first of all, i think he's going berserk. he's so angry. all the things he put in place to get elected the first time and almost get elected the second time, both were unreasonably based, and all the other things, the attorney general and the kinds of -- the judges and all the things that he thought he had working for him all of a sudden are not there anymore. it's -- he can't avoid this. this happened, and this is something he thought he could avoid and i'm sure he's looking for people to blame. he's screaming at people, everybody, he's probably blaming weisselberg, he's blaming his sons, his daughter, you know, anyone that's available to him. and he will, i think, throw any one of them under the bus to protect himself.

>> boy, that's extraordinary statement. i've heard it many, many times, and as a parent, i just think, how's that even possible? but we'll leave that. who do you think donald trump is most worried about now? who should he be? >> weisselberg. absolutely. because, you know, they're going after weisselberg's sons, and that in itself, if it weren't enough to be afraid of going to prison, which i think would be, allowing your child to go to prison is something that i don't believe weisselberg -- i knew him a little bit. i knew him well, as a matter of fact, years ago. i mean, i'm sure he's changed with all the fame and fortune, but he's not the kind of person to allow his children to be punished for his own deeds, and i'll tell you something else. i'm not certain that weisselberg is the kind of person who would

perjure himself. with allen, i'm not so sure. >> which means that you think allen weisselberg may agree to work with cy vance and the d.a.'s office, is that what you expect? >> absolutely. yeah. i do, at the end of the day, yes. ultimately. there may be some terms worked out and things like that, but yes, i do. i do think that. >> and you think -- and you think, what, the knowledge that he had would be the most damning for donald trump? he knows where everything is. he knows all the details. >> see, the thing is trump is that he doesn't really tell people to do things. he lets them know what he wants to happen and then, you know, they happen miraculously, but in the case of something like weisselberg and taxes or legal matters, you know, the lawyers may not get directed by trump what to do. weisselberg will carry that message. but definitely trump is talking -- was talking directly to weisselberg. >> so then, barbara, when people say that nothing happened in the trump organization without donald trump being aware of it,

how do you square what you just said? you're saying that he does not tell people, so maybe he parses very carefully his words, intentionally so, i mean, i don't know, but does it -- when they say that nothing happened without his knowledge, do you agree with that? >> oh, totally. totally. i mean, when i say he doesn't tell people to do things, he says a scenario, and especially did this with people like me who he knew would not be likely to lie for him. wouldn't it be great if this happened? this is what i think should happen or, you know, how do we make this happen? and then just do it. but in the case of this kind of -- and that's what he would do with lawyers and accountants. but with this very close guy, allen weisselberg, he told him exactly what had to happen. and weisselberg wouldn't come up with that on his own. he's also not that type of guy. >> let me ask real quickly, given the title of your book and the word, reveal, give me a word or two that you think comes to mind about donald trump, what it reveals about his personality,

that word. >> my 18 years, it reveals what happened to him, the metamorphosis, it shows the metamorphosis, it reveals how he was, how he became what he is, and a period of time over which that happened. >> okay. >> also, many other things about his, you know, personal things and ego and stuff like that. stories about the construction jobs. >> oh, of course. >> things like that. >> no, i know. i'm familiar with the book, just wanted you to get it out there as well. barbara res, thank you so much. so, you might have seen this headline today and it certainly caught our attention, the really scary reason republicans don't want to face the truth about january 6th, so there are any number of opinions on what that reason is and we're going to examine all that and bring you at least one take in the next hour. at and bring you at least one take in the next hour the light. ♪ it comes from within. it drives you. and it guides you. to shine your brightest. ♪

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